Working on overhaul of our moderation system

My friendly advice is don't waste your precious time uploading photos. They will always find some kind of reason to reject or delete them. I'm wondering what crappy moderators they will scrape together.

So - two recent uploads.
. same girl
. from her instagram
. same bikini
. same instagram post
. ~30k followers, not a model, no onlyfans

one photo accepted
one photo rejected 'celeb/model'

@Diz-X - what's your plan to overhaul the inconsistency in the moderation system? It is clearly broken

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Originally posted by sogood

So - two recent uploads.
. same girl
. from her instagram
what's your plan to overhaul the inconsistency in the moderation system? It is clearly broken

so user VBollie/ SoGood followed me and in the same moment also Blocked me.......
well, SoGood Shogun,
moderators are Human. it is a fundamental human Truth that humans make mistakes. hope that helps.

In the 4.5 months since uploading his first image, sogood has had 2,850 images approved. 861 of which were approved in the last month alone. That's an average of 633 approved and 214 rejected each month (75% / 25%). Are these stats really that bad?!

And for all the moaning you do about "the system", every day, without fail, you ensure your queue is back to its full capacity of 500 images. Of course there will be some images rejected. Nobody has a 100% success rate. And there will be some mistakes made by moderators - but do we really need to resort back to these moaning threads every few weeks?

The system of moderation is what it is. It's not perfect, but we still approve, on average, 5-6k new images each week for people to enjoy.

I revert back to what's been said MANY MANY times before - if you are THAT annoyed by having a few images rejected every now and then, STOP UPLOADING. Your life will be less stressful. You don't take these images yourself, you're not dating the model - you simply take them from various social media outlets (mainly IG) - you shouldn't be this invested in what gets accepted and what doesn't.

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Originally posted by sogood

So - two recent uploads.
. same girl
. from her instagram
. same bikini
. same instagram post
. ~30k followers, not a model, no onlyfans

one photo accepted
one photo rejected 'celeb/model'

@Diz-X - what's your plan to overhaul the inconsistency in the moderation system? It is clearly broken

You contacted me recently via a direct message and had a query about why one of your uploads had been rejected as a "professional" - and, I took the time to show you she was on OnlyFans.

This is an example of one person (you) not being able to find an image is linked to a professional site/status, and another (me) being able to do so. This can also happen in the case of 2 moderators looking at similar images of the same girl. One image, when reverse searched, might show the OnlyFans account in the first few results, whilst the other image might not show those results unless you trawl through 15 pages first (which lets be honest, nobody does).

The system is not "clearly broken" - it's a porn site that has an imperfect but still fairly well-functioning upload process.

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Originally posted by The_Sentinel

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... might show the OnlyFans account in the first few results, whilst the other image might not show those results unless you trawl through 15 pages first (which lets be honest, nobody does).

The system is not "clearly broken" - it's a porn site that has an imperfect but still fairly well-functioning upload process.

May I just ask, are you specifically looking for an OnlyFans link in those reverse image search results? Because that might explain why there's so many OF girls getting through. Reverse image search will never show you their OF page in any case, those images aren't visible unless you pay to view them. Unless Google is paying, or has a way to access every image on OF, they're gonna have a hard time cataloguing them, right?

You should be looking for Reddit, NudoStar, EroMe, TopFapGirls in the first few links. Just a quick glance over the results and if one of those websites are near the top then you likely have an OF model on your hands. Those websites are almost always at the top of searches since they host these images folk are taking and uploading here and they almost always have the models OF name in there. Reddit especially is a great tool for finding OF models. If it links back to Reddit it's immediately suspicious imo.

There's a better technique you can use that is much quicker and accurate. Take the lady currently trending on the front page just now in numbers. She's an OF model and I found out in 3 clicks that was the case without actually seeing her OF link:

Take any of these photos on the home page, open the link...



Right click photo, search image with google, and note the top result:


Reddit link appears on top, let's click it and see:


Well the uploader of the image is called Darmania and here is her OnlyFans link. In what, 5 or 6 clicks I managed to find that but the mods here couldn't?

There's an even quicker way to tell:


Her username is right there, I don't even need to scroll to see it. That's an indicator that it's a model. You can do what you want with that username by assuming it's a model and rejecting the upload, or copy and paste the name into OnlyFans and see if it checks out (Have an OF tab open when dealing modding these photos might help), or just click the link and use your instinct. If it's a huge gallery of high quality selfies then she ain't an amateur. Amateurs don't do that.

Very quickly you'll learn the handful of sites that are full of OF girls and if one of those websites appear near the top and has some sort of username it is almost always going to link back to an OF page so you don't even need to check, you can assume they are a model of some sort and you will very likely be correct. Using that technique will find almost every OF girl in 3-4 clicks. You can't get more accurate than that. I guess these 25 pictures have been ruled out in 3-4 clicks, a mod best remove them...



And honestly, just look at that girl mate. Has any girl ever sent you 25 back to back naked selfies like that before? Just use your intuition man, this SCREAMS OnlyFans model but somehow a mod has accepted every one of those photos and not had a second thought.

I sit somewhere in the middle where I think a lot of the users on here are expecting too much and are being a bit disrespectful to Diz and the mods and may be crossing the line with how aggressive their posts are. I also agree that the modding is poor though especially when you look at cases like this and some of the AI photos which get through which I assume was approved by Stevie Wonder.

40% of the women on here are models. That's not a high success rate. I have to say I disagree with you and the system doesn't work.

Look at this and tell me the system is working? There's almost no amateurs there.

Drop the mod badges boys and give them to people who know what they're doing.

@tututut1 : Yep, that's pretty much how I lookup the pics. Either the result give a username and onlyfans mention (the easiest), or you get an instagram /reddit link that then has an onlyfans link on it.
It's not 100% accurate (sometimes one pic of a girl won't show anything, but another will) but it does help eliminate a good portion of pros, especially from onlyfans.

Unfortunately I feel like either not every mod does it, or the default search engine we get (yandex) isn't the most effective at finding those. Google Lens tends to find more of those, especially the reddit links (although Yandex is also good to find cropped stuff)

@Dizzy : Maybe add the ability to use Google Lens (not google images) instead of Yandex for the reverse search button, that would probably help.

Also do keep in mind when you see a series of the same girl like the example you gave, that it is very likely that it was moderated by several mods, decreasing the chance that a mods goes "hold on a second, that looks pro" and increasing the chance that some are detected and removed, but others go through.

However, these observations again go in favour of the fact that not enough stuff is detected and denied, and too much stuff that shouldn't goes through. On that point I do agree with you (been tagging "top rated" pics lately and without a fail, I end up deleting tons of them because they're pros).

Last thing @tututut1, Diz is looking for mods, if you wanna participate, you should apply, you'd be a good fit

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Originally posted by sogood

So - two recent uploads.
. same girl
. from her instagram
. same bikini
. same instagram post
. ~30k followers, not a model, no onlyfans

one photo accepted
one photo rejected 'celeb/model'

2 possibilities :
- the girl is actually pro but the proof that she is isn't displayed on her instagram and the first pics just didn't get detected as pro and should have been rejected
- the girl isn't pro and somehow a mod marked the 2nd pic as pro without proof

Considering pro models usually display their premium link (or model mentions) wherever they can, I'll give it to you that the 2nd possibility is more likely, and that it shouldn't happen. Can you send me links to the pics in question ?

tuttut - 100% agree. You nailed it.

nothing new, photo babes upload rules do not apply for everyone, here's just one example from the front trending page

cropped photo proffesional model cherry from averotica

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Originally posted by omuh

@tututut1 : Yep, that's pretty much how I lookup the pics. Either the result give a username and onlyfans mention (the easiest), or you get an instagram /reddit link that then has an onlyfans link on it.
It's not 100% accurate (sometimes one pic of a girl won't show anything, but another will) but it does help eliminate a good portion of pros, especially from onlyfans.

Unfortunately I feel like either not every mod does it, or the default search engine we get (yandex) isn't the most effective at finding those. Google Lens tends to find more of those, especially the reddit links (although Yandex is also good to find cropped stuff)

@Dizzy : Maybe add the ability to use Google Lens (not google images) instead of Yandex for the reverse search button, that would probably help.

Also do keep in mind when you see a series of the same girl like the example you gave, that it is very likely that it was moderated by several mods, decreasing the chance that a mods goes "hold on a second, that looks pro" and increasing the chance that some are detected and removed, but others go through.

However, these observations again go in favour of the fact that not enough stuff is detected and denied, and too much stuff that shouldn't goes through. On that point I do agree with you (been tagging "top rated" pics lately and without a fail, I end up deleting tons of them because they're pros).

Last thing @tututut1, Diz is looking for mods, if you wanna participate, you should apply, you'd be a good fit

Yep, unfortunately there's no 100% fool proof way of moderating this type of content especially in such large numbers but it definitely looks like measures could be put in place to moderate the images more accurately.

If you guys are stuck with Yandex I'd say that could be a big part of the problem. It's great as a backup and for special cases like cropped photos but I feel like it has a select amount of sites it scrapes compared to Google and I've noticed Google is usually really quick at picking up images. A lot of images appear on their results for What Boys Want sometimes as soon as the day they were uploaded here, Yandex on the other hand I don't think updates too often and the results are usually old and broken links. I'd highly recommend the switch to Google if you are able to implement it.

ImgOps.com is a great website as you can upload images either directly to or using a link and it gives you options to search through most of the websites that use reverse image search. There's also Coomer.su that has a massive directory of OF models that you can search by username but please note the list is not extensive as it relies on users uploading content by linking their OF account. Still, it has a large amount of models on there and could probably be used as a decent source if needed. Those are some handy backup sites if the mods aren't sure about something.

Unfortunately I think you're correct that some mods don't check at all because some of these models will appear on both Yandex and Google fairly easily and I do wonder if there's a mod allowing much more than they should. Do you guys have stats to that effect, like percentage of images rejected per mod or something similar?

I feel the mood of the mods in general should be to air on the side of caution. People might come here to complain that their uploads are being rejected but in fact I'd argue the opposite and that more should be rejected. Quality over quantity and as I've proved on a few occasions there are lots of non-amateurs on here. I feel like if there's any suspicion at all then it is safer to reject it than to accept it and if we had that message passed to all the mods then they can tighten the net a bit and catch more stuff. Not only to keep the site as 'amateur models' as much as we possibly can but also from a legal point of view. I feel like the opposite of that is happening. PornHub, XHamster etc have recently had to take down masses of their content because it wasn't moderated properly. Do we want that to happen here? I would suggest the mods be a lot stricter in what is allowed before it gets out of hand, for Dizzy's sake more than anything.

Some of the images on here are faceswaps or AI generated to delete the person's clothing and replace it with a naked body. Effectively you're stripping someone's clothes off against their will and without their knowledge and posting it on the internet for anyone to see. That's how a court would see it I imagine. That is super dangerous. That's worse than spreading someone's nudes without their permission which is already illegal probably anywhere in the world. The mods have to do everything to stop this content from coming through before there's huge trouble. Please, implement something to do everything in your powers to not let that content through. I know it is very difficult to tell sometimes but if there's any suspicion whatsoever it HAS to go. Some of the images here are very clearly AI edited, and so poorly done that members are commenting saying 'this is a fake'. There's more and more appearing here as more and more AI tools exist to make it happen.

I suggest maybe even having a backup queue for someone with a good eye to look at anything suspicious. Rather than accept or reject then pass to someone who can spot the fakes better. Even at that point I'd just be rejecting the image as it's just much safer to do so. Why take the risk? Some of the images accepted here have had me scratching my head at how it's even possible that someone can't tell the clothes have been edited out. It might sound dramatic but if this website catches on in the press that it's hosting deep fakes of women against their will then... Let's not even think about that scenario.

I would be making sure on every single page on the website it clearly states 'the uploader takes full responsibility for the content' in order to protect yourselves somewhat. It may be in the guidance but I'd make sure every member here knows that and have it clear as day. More and more AI content is going to be uploaded as time goes on and the net should be tightened as much as possible, it's only going to get worse. Maybe there's an AI tool that can detect fake/edited images and we use that for some cases? I haven't looked into it, but I imagine there's something out there.

I've messaged Diz and said I'd help out with moderating if needed, but I'll be very strict about it if it happens because I think with the way the internet is going and the subject matter at hand, you can't be too careful. If it upsets someone then so be it. Better safe than sorry.

The loudest are the ones who contributes the least. It's easy to reject or delete photos. My take on it is just stop uploading photos.

Tututut1- thanks for the information - it was helpful as a sometimes picture contributor. This site has been going for over 20 years so it is providing entertainment and no site is perfect. With different moderators the results are always different - they can only try to improve consistency as they are definitely working on.

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Originally posted by LunaMoon

nothing new, photo babes upload rules do not apply for everyone, here's just one example from the front trending page

cropped photo proffesional model cherry from

The rules apply to everyone. It's just that not everything is correctly detected all the time as there is no 100% sure way to identify all pro pics. This sure could be improved but that doesn't mean that some users are favoured compared to others.
I can guarantee you that you also have pros content in your own accepted uploads. Does that mean that the rules don't apply to you too? No, they just went through.
Pretty insane how people jump to the nearest conspiracy theory...

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Originally posted by tututut1

Some of the images on here are faceswaps or AI generated to delete the person's clothing and replace it with a naked body. Effectively you're stripping someone's clothes off against their will and without their knowledge and posting it on the internet for anyone to see. That's how a court would see it I imagine. That is super dangerous. That's worse than spreading someone's nudes without their permission which is already illegal probably anywhere in the world. The mods have to do everything to stop this content from coming through before there's huge trouble. Please, implement something to do everything in your powers to not let that content through. I know it is very difficult to tell sometimes but if there's any suspicion whatsoever it HAS to go. Some of the images here are very clearly AI edited, and so poorly done that members are commenting saying 'this is a fake'. There's more and more appearing here as more and more AI tools exist to make it happen.

Yeah AI stuff is becoming a challenge. At the moment, some are pretty obvious making it easier to spot them but I'm pretty sure they're gonna become harder and harder to spot as tools are refined. Same for fully AI generated content.

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Originally posted by tututut1

I suggest maybe even having a backup queue for someone with a good eye to look at anything suspicious. Rather than accept or reject then pass to someone who can spot the fakes better.

Pretty sure we'd lack mods for that. There are already not enough mods to correctly process all the pics, let alone reverse search all of them as it should be. So I can't imagine how the moderation time would increase in that case.

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Originally posted by tututut1

Maybe there's an AI tool that can detect fake/edited images and we use that for some cases? I haven't looked into it, but I imagine there's something out there.

There were a couple website that I used when I had a doubt about AI generated stuff but they are no longer free, and those tools are prone to false positive too.

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Originally posted by tututut1

I've messaged Diz and said I'd help out with moderating if needed, but I'll be very strict about it if it happens because I think with the way the internet is going and the subject matter at hand, you can't be too careful. If it upsets someone then so be it. Better safe than sorry.

Nice, good luck with that!

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Originally posted by omuh

The rules apply to everyone. It's just that not everything is correctly detected all the time as there is no 100% sure way to identify all pro pics. This sure could be improved but that doesn't mean that some users are favoured compared to others.
I can guarantee you that you also have pros content in your own accepted uploads. Does that mean that the rules don't apply to you too? No, they just went through.
Pretty insane how people jump to the nearest conspiracy theory...

All i have noticed is the same group of daily uploaders with questionable photos. Regarding my photo uploads there are still 1186 to delete. I'm already stopped uploading them. Take care and have fun deleting photos.

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Originally posted by LunaMoon

All i have noticed is the same group of daily uploaders with questionable photos.

Who?